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Deoxys Counters and Raid Guide: Updated 10/1/18

The new EX Raid boss is here with raids starting TODAY October 1st. Niantic decided to throw up for a loop and implement a different version of Deoxy than we expected so we JUST updated the site to reflect that. The counters changed a bit too, and this article reflects those changes.

The Low Down on Deoxys

Deoxys is the most glassy glass cannon to ever grace Pokemon Go. He’s like an extreme version of Alakazam or Gengar. He’s got super high attack, but dayamn is his defense low. It looks like he will appear in raids in his ‘Normal Forme; (Yes with an e) but isn’t currently catchable in his other Formes including speed, attack and defense. We assume that will eventually change? Deoxys Attack Forme is an even bigger glass cannon than Normal Forme which unfortunately is not necessarily the best thing.

So, the question of how useful is Deoxys, particularly Attack Forme, is a hard one to answer. When it comes to solo raids, tiers 1-3, and you’re a very good dodger, then yes, Ultra high attack can be useful. But for raids with multiple players where dodging doesn’t work… he’s… less useful. The problem is that Deoxys will often die before getting off even a single special. That’s a pretty bad downside for a Pokemon that is going to take a lot of stardust and rare candy to power up. You know all those times Gengar comes in and gets one shotted before getting off a special? Deoxys Attack Forme will be even worse.  But so far his other formes aren’t available, so we don’t know when any of this will matter or if stats will change by the time they do come out…

Also check out Pokebattler founder’s Livestream he did last Sunday. The second half talks about Deoxys.

Deoxys Normal Forme

A high attack, low defense, low stamina Pokemon with weak moves

Quick Moves:

  • Zen Headbutt: A psychic move that fairly high dps
  • Charge Beam: An electric move that gives a large amount of energy per attack. This can sometimes be good to help power up a special in time before getting one shot

Charge Moves:

  • Thunderbolt: This will be a great option as a high DPS double bar electric move
  • Psycho Boost: A double bar Psychic move that is one of the worst moves in the game. Almost 4 seconds with half the DPS of a mediocre special move, this can still end up being the best as at least it’s a 2 bar move and you might get 1 move off
  • Hyper Beam: A single bar normal move that is also slow and moderate DPS

General Recommendations:

  1. Zen Headbutt/Charge Beam + Thunderbolt – Is decent vs. water types depending. For example, he’s number 4 against Kyogre.
  2. Zen Headbutt + Psycho Boost – Double psychic attack and should get off a special

Deoxys Attack Forme

An ultra high attack, ultra low defense, low stamina Pokemon with interesting moves

Quick Moves:

  • Poison Jab: A good poison move on a high attack Pokemon? Wow!. Similar dps and eps but faster so often better
  • Zen Headbutt: A psychic move with fairly high dps

Charge Moves:

  • Dark Pulse: A reasonable double bar dark move. 50% higher raw dps than Psycho Boost
  • Psycho Boost: Less useful here due to Dark Pulse general superiority
  • Zap Cannon: A single bar electric move even less useful here

General Recommendations:

  1. Poison Jab/Zen Headbutt + Dark Pulse – Useful in ex-raids IF you can get your Dark Pulse off.
  2. Zen Headbutt + Psycho Boost – Double psychic attack and should get off a special

Deoxys Attack Forme is the biggest glass cannon in Pokemon Go. If you use this Pokemon, we recommend you know how dodging works and how to avoid the dodge bug. You should only be dodging quick attacks if it means you can get off a special attack. If you do not get off a special attack, your dps is pretty terrible. For example, against Mewtwo, you need to dodge a couple confusion for this Pokemon to be good but you do not need to dodge Psycho cut. Generally safer to use against single bar moves than double bar moves due to the risk of walking in to a special immediately after the previous Pokemon fainted. So be careful.

Deoxys Defense Forme

High defense and abysmal attack and stamina. Think Shuckle

Quick Moves:

  • Zen Headbutt: A psychic move with fairly high dps
  • Counter: A fighting move that is one of the best in the game

Charge Moves:

  • Rock Slide: A good 2 bar rock move
  • Psycho Boost: A terrible 2 bar psychic move
  • Zap Cannon: A single bar electric move that is slow but at least moderate dps

General Recommendations:

  1. Pokedex Entry

Deoxys Speed Forme

A midling attack and defense Pokemon with terrible stamina

Quick Moves:

  • Zen Headbutt: A psychic move that fairly high dps
  • Charge Beam: An electric move with a high eps.

Charge Moves:

  • Psycho Boost: A double bar slow Psychic move with terrible dps
  • Zap Cannon: A single bar Electric move that is slow but at least moderate dps
  • Swift: A double bar Normal move with poor dps.

General recommendations:

  1. Pokedex Entry

 

General Deoxys Counters

Best Counters

 Gengar

Now you can use your glass cannon against this even glassier glass cannon. Both the double ghost and the dark/ ghost combo of Gengar are strong against Deoxys. And of course he will die pretty quickly, so you want to use him with care and make sure you can get off those essential charge moves. Note that even non-legacy hex/shadow ball Gengar is amazing against most Deoxys attacks. However he moves down to #7 counter against Pyscho Boost, something to take into account if you do know Deoxy’s movesets.

 Mewtwo

Mewtwo’s Shadow Ball move is an incredibly strong charge move and is  great against psychic mons like Deoxys. Too bad it very recently become a legacy move. Hopefully you got at least one before it went away! I know I’ve been raiding Mewtwo to get candy to power up my Shadow Ball Mewtwo as its useful against both Mewtwo and Deoxys!

 Tyranitar

Tyranitar continues to be a ridiculously useful raid attacker. Something like 11 of the 18 legendary raids have been weak to dark or rock. He shrugs off Psychic attacks and has extremely strong Dark attacks at his disposal. Although double dark is the strongest, if you have a Smack Down Tyranitar and short on good counters, feel free to use a charge TM to switch from double rock to rock/dark for this fight and for Mewtwo as well.

Houndoom  Absol

These double dark guys are strong against Psychic Deoxys. And since they are also strong against Mewtwo, they can pull some double duty as your best back up raid attackers! Note that double dark Alola Muk did not make this list but you can use one if you want to mesmerize your fellow players with psychedelic colors (and your group is overpowered for the fight of course).

 Scizor Pinsir

These bugs are decent against Deoxys like they are decent against Mewtwo.

More General Counters

Apparently, our extra row of general counters on our last Mewtwo infographic was popular. And we at Pokebattler like to give you people what you want. So we’re doing it again with Deoxys. Obviously, these guys are a bit weaker than the top counters, and not ones you really want to spend a ton of stardust on… but if you’ve already got some powered up ones or level 35 ones you found in the wild then you can make use of these dudes!\

 Rayquaza  Dragonite

Dragons are always decent against Deoxys. Say that three times fast! At level 37, Rayquaza hits a break point and becomes pretty strong. And since you should already have some powered up, he’s a good choice. And we’d hope you’d have a powered up Dragonite by now.

 Cacturne  Sharpedo   Shiftry   

These dark Pokemon pale in comparison to double dark Tyranitar, but if you’ve got some powered up they ain’t half bad.

 Banette   Alakazam

These shadow ball Pokemon aren’t exactly Mewtwo, but they put up a decent fight.

Additional Good Weather Counters

Sunny

 Entei

Since Entei has been the field research reward for a while now, you probably have a few! He’s a strong mon in general so with sunny weather, bust him out and don’t be afraid to spend stardust on him, if not for Deoxys, for future raids as well!

Rainy

Pinsir  Kyogre

Pinsir is already a strong general counter, but a boost from the rain makes him numero uno! And the always strong Kyogre always becomes a top row counter in the rain.

Windy

In Windy weather, Deoxys gets a boost in his catchable CP but… his defense still sucks. Don’t worry, you probably won’t notice.

 Dragonite  Latios  Rayquaza

These dragons all get a 20% boost to its attacks and become extra strong attackers in the wind. Hopefully, you have some of these powered up already.

Conclusion

We’ve done our best to simplify things down as always, but we highly recommend using our custom raid guides. Entering in the exact Pokemon you have is always the best to pick your counters.  Hopefully, this guide gets you ready to raid whenever you receive your first pass!

Happy Hunting and thanks for reading!